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Miscellaneous highlights from 10/2019 WT

by neat blue dog in

okay sorry, just a few more things that grabbed me in this issue:.

the magazine starts with an article dedicated to the 100th anniversary of that all important year on which the gb's authority hangs, 1919. the article ends with several rapid fire assertions:.

by the end of 1919, jehovah’s people.

Anna Marina

Or H G Wells who wrote God the Invisible King, which appears to be a very WBTS take on the Kingdom of God. Maybe H G Wells helped Rutherford write books.

Belief in God as the Invisible King brings with it almost necessarily a conception of this coming kingdom of God on earth. Each believer as he grasps this natural and immediate consequence of the faith that has come into his life will form at the same time a Utopian conception of this world changed in the direction of God’s purpose. The vision will follow the realisation of God’s true nature and purpose as a necessary second step. And he will begin to develop the latent citizen of this world-state in himself. He will fall in with the idea of the world-wide sanities of this new order being drawn over the warring outlines of the present, and of men falling out of relationship with the old order and into relationship with the new. Many men and women are already working to-day at tasks that belong essentially to God’s kingdom, tasks that would be of the same essential nature if the world were now a theocracy; for example, they are doing or sustaining scientific research oreducation or creative art; they are making roads to bring men together, they are doctors working for the world’s health, they are building homes, they are constructing machinery to save and increase the powers of men. . . .

Such men and women need only to change their orientation as men will change about at a work-table when the light that was coming in a little while ago from the southern windows, begins presently to comein chiefly from the west, to become open and confessed servants of God. This work that they were doing for ambition, or the love of men or the love of knowledge or what seemed the inherent impulse to the work itself, or for money or honour or country or king, they will realise they are doing for God and by the power of God. Self transformation into a citizen of God’s kingdom and a new realisation of all earthly politics as no more than the struggle to define and achieve the kingdom of God in the earth, follow on, without any need for a fresh spiritual impulse, from the moment when God and the believer meet and clasp one another. This transfiguration of the world into a theocracy may seem a merely fantastic idea to anyone who comes to it freshly without such general theological preparation as the preceding pages have made. But to anyone who has been at the pains to clear his mind even a little from the obsession of existing but transitory things, it ceases to be a mere suggestion and becomes more and more manifestly the real future of mankind.

H G Wells was not a Christian he was a Fabian. The coat of arms of the Fabians used to be a wolf in sheep's clothing. It was surprising to me to see how often H G Wells is quoted in WBTS literature.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society

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around 1976 i got the wild idea i'd like to learn greek (for my study of the christian greek scriptures and to 'get to the bottom' of whether i was wasting my time being even a token jehovah's witness.

) i would read the actual text and avoid my denomination's opinion commentaries, you see.. .

i learned the characters in the greek alphabet rather quickly and started reading an interlinear (english/greek) bible aloud - practicing my enunciation.

Anna Marina

Hi Tiki

Oh my...I remember all the hoopla over the word parousia...coming as in the process vs coming here you are....if I remember correctly...so Jesus coming was more than his arrival...but his presence.

Do you remember when that was? I was never taught the word parousia. But when I did a stand-in talk dealing with it (2005) I immediately recognised it as a serious piece of false doctrine and I blew the whistle as hard as I could. If the false doctrine had been clearly explained to me when I was studying I would never have joined. I studied in 1992.

I am putting together a YouTube about my experience.

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INSANE last days speculation in 10/2019 WT

by neat blue dog in

the october 2019 study edition, speaking of the last days after the governments destroy all religion except jws:.

at some point, the people whose re-ligions were destroyed may resent thefact that jehovah’s witnesses keep prac-ticing their religion.

we can only imag-ine the uproar that this might create, in-cluding on social media.

Anna Marina

Data-Dog

You were wondering about the GB - I can tell you I have it on good authority that it is old news to them that 1914 is wrong.

Now ask youself - what kind of person deliberately misleads so many people? You are either a coward or worse. The Bible states that cowards will not inherit God's Kingdom - so its not the best feature to have developed in your character if you are seeking approval from Jesus Christ.

Maybe they are Nihilists - but whatever they are they sure ain't Jehovah's Witnesses, they are play acting.

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1914 Prophecy

by Acer21 in

i am having trouble locating what is the 1914 prophecy?

jw.org states that the jw's accurately predicted the events of 1914, but do not indicate what the predictions were, or the specific fulfillments.

what do jw's think they are (predictions/fulfillments)?

Anna Marina

Anders Andersen - sent you a PM.

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Miscellaneous highlights from 10/2019 WT

by neat blue dog in

okay sorry, just a few more things that grabbed me in this issue:.

the magazine starts with an article dedicated to the 100th anniversary of that all important year on which the gb's authority hangs, 1919. the article ends with several rapid fire assertions:.

by the end of 1919, jehovah’s peoplewere reorganized and energized.

Anna Marina

The use of the word 'energized' makes them sound like they are into sci fi.

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It was all GREEK to me

by Terry in

jw
friends

around 1976 i got the wild idea i'd like to learn greek (for my study of the christian greek scriptures and to 'get to the bottom' of whether i was wasting my time being even a token jehovah's witness.

) i would read the actual text and avoid my denomination's opinion commentaries, you see.. .

i learned the characters in the greek alphabet rather quickly and started reading an interlinear (english/greek) bible aloud - practicing my enunciation.

Anna Marina

Poor old English had to standardise their spelling - they didn't have the Bible in English and had to learn Latin or Greek.

I believe the Greeks and Romans we slightly better at spelling and with the careful communication of the Scriptures things improved.

In days past, they could be harsh on typos. :/

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It was all GREEK to me

by Terry in

jw
friends

around 1976 i got the wild idea i'd like to learn greek (for my study of the christian greek scriptures and to 'get to the bottom' of whether i was wasting my time being even a token jehovah's witness.

) i would read the actual text and avoid my denomination's opinion commentaries, you see.. .

i learned the characters in the greek alphabet rather quickly and started reading an interlinear (english/greek) bible aloud - practicing my enunciation.

Anna Marina

Hi Terry

What do you mean by that? I was never taught the word parousia. It wasn't in the literature when I studied. Granted I know the word now, but that is for different reasons, because parousia proves them wrong not right.

I think the fetish JW's have for quoting Greek goes all the way back to Benjamin Willson's Emphatic Diaglott (the WT used to offer it) and the idea that parousia solved the problem of having been WRONG about 1914 (seemingly).

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It was all GREEK to me

by Terry in

jw
friends

around 1976 i got the wild idea i'd like to learn greek (for my study of the christian greek scriptures and to 'get to the bottom' of whether i was wasting my time being even a token jehovah's witness.

) i would read the actual text and avoid my denomination's opinion commentaries, you see.. .

i learned the characters in the greek alphabet rather quickly and started reading an interlinear (english/greek) bible aloud - practicing my enunciation.

Anna Marina

Hi Voltaire2 - the Greek is different but I joined a Greek congregation and they managed with it just fine, so long as they were reading it. But they were not used to reading the New Testament in the original Greek, so sometimes they paused in their understanding but they got it in the end.

I found it fascinating to see the connection to some English words. The angel with the mega phone is the angel with the strong voice. (Rev 1:10)

Eucharist (evkaristo) means, "thank you."

When you get onto the Hebrew - Hebrew speaking Jews can read it easily like today's paper.

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1914 Prophecy

by Acer21 in

i am having trouble locating what is the 1914 prophecy?

jw.org states that the jw's accurately predicted the events of 1914, but do not indicate what the predictions were, or the specific fulfillments.

what do jw's think they are (predictions/fulfillments)?

Anna Marina

Hi Acer21

Ask most what happened in 1914 and you'll get told, "Satan was cast out of heaven, therefore World War I started because he knew he only had a short period of time before he got abyssed."

Other say, "Jesus took up kingly rule in heaven and God's will started to be done in heaven (like it hadn't been for sometime previous and heaven was just a variation on the theme of hell."

Your most common answer will be Satan was kicked out of heaven. But they are trying to back away from that and say they never said he was kicked out in 1914. They want wriggle room.

The other thing they say is that 1914 is the end of the 7 gentile times which started 607 BCE when Jerusalem went into Babylonian captivity. They say 7 times = 2520 years. A lot are taken in by this calculation which appears compelling but rests on changing the 20th year of Nebuchadnezzar into his 2nd year and the 3rd year of King Jehoiachin into his 11th and final year (618 BCE). For more info on this - see this site I did - http://olam30.co.uk/key/d01_explanation.php

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It was all GREEK to me

by Terry in

jw
friends

around 1976 i got the wild idea i'd like to learn greek (for my study of the christian greek scriptures and to 'get to the bottom' of whether i was wasting my time being even a token jehovah's witness.

) i would read the actual text and avoid my denomination's opinion commentaries, you see.. .

i learned the characters in the greek alphabet rather quickly and started reading an interlinear (english/greek) bible aloud - practicing my enunciation.

Anna Marina

Hi Terry

I too set about learning Greek. I loved it. I used a great little site I found in the earlish days of the internet. This is it. http://unbound.biola.edu/

I did really well, so well I felt Bethel ought to know and develope a website like this one to help all the brother and sisters learn Greek and Hebrew.

So off I went to London Bethel and asked someone influential. He didn't realise he knew me because I was speaking to him on the phone from reception and I hadn't introduced myself. I just launched into, "hi I am learning the Bible in Greek and Hebrew and I wondered if we could do a website..." His first words were, "are you apostate?"

I was thunderstruck. After lunch he sincerely apologise but apparently they had had problems with people learning Hebrew and Greek and he showed me a Kingdom Ministry with this in to prove it. Hebrew and Greek = apostate.

Then he said there would never be such a website. Did I have any idea how expensive it would be? Quitely I thought, "I'd help you build it." But I never said cause there was no point. They were never going to build a website... ever, ever, ever.